Тим и Эндрю - снова вместе?

Майор · 25-08-2002, 22:49

В общем, основная идея нижеприведенного интервью: Тим и Эндрю объединились, чтобы написать одну песню для
некой Shonagh Daly, и Эндрю очень доволен этим сотрудничеством. Лиха беда начало!

Interview: Jasper Gerard meets Andrew Lloyd Webber
Gilbert and Sullivan give it another whirl

‘Why,” Andrew Lloyd Webber once wondered, “do people take an instant dislike to me?” Which rather invited the reply: “Because it saves time.”
The charge sheet against the maestro of the musical is damning (Tory politics, Starlight Express, not to mention Sarah bleeding Brightman). But does that justify the high-octane poison poured over him? Malcolm Williamson, the master of the Queen’s music, said Lloyd Webber’s music is “everywhere, but then so is Aids”.

Even his appearance invites press sneers; the nearest to a published compliment is that he resembles “an England darts international who has had a makeover”.

Expectations, then, are not high as we whistle our way to his studio. We find him being serenaded by his latest protégée, Shonagh Daly, warbling that she has been led astray. She flashes his lordship a wink. Lloyd Webber lowers his bushy brows and blushes.

Sure, he is not Johnny Depp, but who else is? Van Gogh was no oil painting, but nobody concluded that he was a bad artist.

If Lloyd Webber were collecting for your church spire you would think he looked rather sweet and invite him in for tea.

His tunes make an easy target, uniting both classical connoisseur and pop picker against middlebrow musicals. Some Lloyd Webber is saccharine, but some is musically complex and, with Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, he popularised the Bible more than RE lessons ever did. Calling him hip would be extravagant but he is, at 54, reaching a younger audience and enjoying an Indian summer with Bombay Dreams.

With an estimated £500m he could retire to Watership Down in Berkshire — where he has an estate — but he burrows away, disclosing excitedly that he is reuniting with his songwriting partner Tim Rice to pen a few tunes together after 26 years apart, and that he wants to take on Ken Livingstone by leading a campaign to clear up London’s tawdry West End. Oh, and the Conservative peer admits that he no longer considers himself a Tory (my, is he damning of Iain Duncan Smith’s party) and says he is considering a shift to the cross-benches. And for inverted snobs, yes, he was educated at Westminster but, for what it’s worth, his granddad was a plumber.

So give him a chance, okay? First, though, let’s clear up that little flirting episode. “Shonagh is naughty,” smiles Lloyd Webber, sounding like Kenneth Williams. “I do hope I’m not some sad man going through a midlife crisis.” He adds hastily: “I was with Madeleine when I found Shonagh.”

Yes, Andrew, but weren’t you with Sarah (wife number two) when you found Madeleine (wife number three)? Whatever, fans will be delighted that Shonagh — who ALW reckons “looks like Britney Spears” — has inspired the reunion with Rice. No British duo since Gilbert and Sullivan, bar Lennon and McCartney, has written as many well-loved songs as Rice and Lloyd Webber “We are putting our toe back in the water,” says ALW cautiously. “I haven’t done anything with Tim since Evita. We are both rather old and scared to run the gauntlet of the press again, but you never know, it might develop into a full musical.

“When I saw Tim’s lyric for this I thought ‘My goodness, I have missed him, I must say.’ You suddenly see a lyric of that quality.”

He says this with real feeling, as others might recall the beauty of a lost love. Then he ruins it with old jealousies: “The saddest thing for me is that I don’t write lyrics, but I think Tim would not have been right for Phantom of the Opera because it is not something he would have understood completely.” Ouch. Still, a new musical seems down to Rice: “He has such a wit and a cynicism, it’s whether he really finds a subject for a musical he would like to do.”

There is still a hint of the precocious boy about the man who dragooned his brother Julian (now a world-renowned cellist) into childhood musicals. Will he tell me the title of the new song? “It is a slight secret: I’ll think about that a moment.” But, keen to show off his creation, he smiles instantly: “It’s called A Touch of Love (the butterfly’s sting).”

He is proud — although he pretends to be frustrated — that he remains an undisputed popular musical master. “I wrote Joseph in 1968 and since then not a single composer — nor lyricist — has emerged. If I had been working in the 1950s I would have had Rodgers and Hammerstein, Cole Porter, the lot, as competition.”

Would that have raised his game? “Yes, it would,” he says rather honestly. Instead, he must make do with sniping as his spur. For while he claims initially that he is no longer obsessed with success (“I will never get another Phantom but I don’t care, I just love writing musicals”), he then admits that he put much into his last musical, The Beautiful Game, to answer the charge of being frivolous. Improbably, it dealt with IRA violence — as box office it, well, bombed.

“It closed because people didn’t want to see it,” he says bluntly. So was he always a heavyweight trying to fight his way out of the soufflé? Oh, yes: he chunters on about messages in his musicals (I must have nodded off during those bits).

“There is a dark side to me,” he says. There is? And I thought I’d seen more darkness in Bambi. “Yes, there is, it came out in The Beautiful Game and Evita.” As proof of his blackness, he talks of his passion for concentration camp art. But soon even that seems a bit of a game, as he tells me he recently left a bid of £20,000 for a painting that went for £1.8m.

All of which is small bananas to a man whose last shopping trip up west saw him snap up 10 theatres for £85m. But he nurtures his investments, which is why he is so exasperated by theatreland.

He becomes really venomous only when he starts talking about Livingstone, who he holds responsible for wrecking the West End by being anti-car and weak on crime.

“The shows that are really doing well, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Bombay, are outside the West End,” he says. “Some parts of the West End are in real trouble. St Martin’s Lane is closed off, so the Duke of York’s is having real problems. Ten years ago more traffic took half the time to get through the West End.”

He compares the mayors of New York and London. “There they had a succession of brilliant mayors. We don’t have that. I would like to see happen here what happened in Manhattan, but it seems completely impossible for this mayor. When I first worked in New York in the early 1970s it was the pits. So they cleared it all up. With the I Love New York campaign it came back into fashion.”

Crime, he ventures, is worse in London than New York. “If you walked down the end of 46th Street to Seventh Avenue well, you didn’t; now it’s happy families. In London if you go to the back door of the Lyric or the Apollo you find syringes. It could be solved if there was a will, but Livingstone just follows his own whims.”

Do the police need more power? “They need more police.”

He is to convene a crisis meeting of the Society of West End Theatres to draw up an action plan to make the West End “glamorous again”. But look, Andrew, not being rude, isn’t
the problem with the West End that it is full of mushy musicals? “No. It has got to be cleaned up. Period.”

How? “In New York, when the lead came from the city, those tacky shops closed.” So would he like to see those tacky outlets which now scar the West End forcibly closed here, too? It would seem so, and responsibility rests with his former protégé-turned-rival, Cameron Mackintosh. “He has now got the freehold to the Queens and Gielgud theatres. Between, there are a lot of shops that need to be looked at. Cameron has got to be a very big part of this, if that is what he is interested in doing.”

The main culprit, though, is the mayor and his lack of accountability. “If you try to discuss it in parliament they say you can’t, the forum is the assembly. There is no co-ordinated opposition to the mayor, including from the Labour party.”

Which brings us to our special guest’s political views. If he had waited for Tony Blair to reach Downing Street before jumping on the No 10 fish supper-party circuit, he would have been embraced by the arts establishment. But he linked himself with the Tories at their most arrogant. Maggie even used to come round to dine at his house.

Now he says: “If it wouldn’t cause huge ructions and lots of press pieces about why I had done it, I would quit to become a crossbencher.”

Has Duncan Smith disillusioned him? It seems so. “The best thing I saw on holiday was a cartoon of two gays wearing small bikinis saying: ‘If another boring Tory goes gay, I’m going straight.’ It sums up the Conservative party. The leader should be Kate Hoey, she’d be wonderful.” Hardly a ringing endorsement from a man who was once one of the Tories’ most high-profile supporters.

If this were not enough, he says: “The Tories just don’t interest me. If somebody had the money to set up a real opposition party, now would be the time. It needs to be somebody with a real vision.”

With Tories muttering about a breakaway party, expect some begging letters to Lloyd Webber pronto.

Our time is up. As he sees me out we pass a door where Denise Van Outen is rehearsing for another of his projects, and he confides that he doesn’t think she shone in Chicago. But he does so while sounding thoroughly charming about her.

He can be bumptious, but he remains an enthusiast. Yes, Starlight Express was a serious crime but I, for one, have surprised myself by taking a delayed liking to him.

charisma · 25-08-2002, 23:03

А слабо это в новости?

))

Майор · 25-08-2002, 23:13

будет...

Ignorant Fool · 26-08-2002, 18:07

Цитата:

Автор оригинала: Майор
В общем, основная идея нижеприведенного интервью: Тим и Эндрю объединились, чтобы написать одну песню для
некой Shonagh Daly, и Эндрю очень доволен этим сотрудничеством. Лиха беда начало!
.

Эта некая Shonagh Daly - будущая жена Эндрю?

Майор · 26-08-2002, 19:26

Цитата:

Автор оригинала: Ignorant Fool

Эта некая Shonagh Daly - будущая жена Эндрю?

Фанаты этого побаиваются...

))

Clyde · 26-08-2002, 19:48

Цитата:

No British duo since Gilbert and Sullivan, bar Lennon and McCartney, has written as many well-loved songs as Rice and Lloyd Webber

<оффтопик>
Кстати я начинаю потихоньку понимать, почему они (Гилберт и Салливан) так популярны в англонете. ;-)))
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Яна Тюрлих · 26-08-2002, 20:11

Цитата:

Автор оригинала: Ignorant Fool

Эта некая Shonagh Daly - будущая жена Эндрю?

Вряд ли.. ее имя ведь не САРА !

:D

Volta · 28-08-2002, 16:32

Цитата:

Автор оригинала: Яна Тюрлих
Вряд ли.. ее имя ведь не САРА ! :D

Ну, Мэдлин - тоже, вроде как, не Сара...

На самом деле - не дай бог. Но я очень надеюсь, что они с Тимом хотя бы песню эту напишут. А там, кто знает... эх... молодость...

Яна Тюрлих · 28-08-2002, 23:25

Цитата:

Автор оригинала: Volta

Ну, Мэдлин - тоже, вроде как, не Сара...
На самом деле - не дай бог. Но я очень надеюсь, что они с Тимом хотя бы песню эту напишут. А там, кто знает... эх... молодость...

Я к тому, что если бы ее имя было САРА, то тогда на самом деле можно было бы опасаться

Volta · 29-08-2002, 14:32

И фамилия на "Б"... И глаза в пол-лица... И синий парик... :D :D

WwWwW · 06-04-2004, 16:34

Случилось!!! Та самая Шона Дэйли наконец записала ту самую пресловутую песню, сочиненную для нее теми самыми Тимом и Эндрю, об объединении которых шла речь в этом топике еще в 2002 году. Песенка называется A Touch of Love, и кусочек из нее можно услышать на сайте Шоны Дэйли: www.shonagh-daly.co.uk

Там вверху такой мини-проигрыватель. В нем надо поперебирать песни, чтобы дойти до интересующей нас.

Приятная песенка!

Volta · 07-04-2004, 01:38

А текст ниоткуда нельзя посмотреть?

WwWwW · 07-04-2004, 14:44

Я думаю, пока соответствующий альбом не вышел, текст мы не узнаем. А альбом обещают в этом году.

WwWwW · 16-07-2004, 13:10

Цитата:

Автор оригинала: Volta
А текст ниоткуда нельзя посмотреть?

http://pub84.ezboard.com/ftiretracks...picID=20.topic

Volta · 16-07-2004, 18:27

Ну что я могу сказать... типичный Тим

25-08-2002, 22:49	#1
Майор человек военный На форуме с: Nov 2001 Место жительства: иллюзиями Сообщений: 1,985	Тим и Эндрю - снова вместе? В общем, основная идея нижеприведенного интервью: Тим и Эндрю объединились, чтобы написать одну песню для некой Shonagh Daly, и Эндрю очень доволен этим сотрудничеством. Лиха беда начало! Interview: Jasper Gerard meets Andrew Lloyd Webber Gilbert and Sullivan give it another whirl ‘Why,” Andrew Lloyd Webber once wondered, “do people take an instant dislike to me?” Which rather invited the reply: “Because it saves time.” The charge sheet against the maestro of the musical is damning (Tory politics, Starlight Express, not to mention Sarah bleeding Brightman). But does that justify the high-octane poison poured over him? Malcolm Williamson, the master of the Queen’s music, said Lloyd Webber’s music is “everywhere, but then so is Aids”. Even his appearance invites press sneers; the nearest to a published compliment is that he resembles “an England darts international who has had a makeover”. Expectations, then, are not high as we whistle our way to his studio. We find him being serenaded by his latest protégée, Shonagh Daly, warbling that she has been led astray. She flashes his lordship a wink. Lloyd Webber lowers his bushy brows and blushes. Sure, he is not Johnny Depp, but who else is? Van Gogh was no oil painting, but nobody concluded that he was a bad artist. If Lloyd Webber were collecting for your church spire you would think he looked rather sweet and invite him in for tea. His tunes make an easy target, uniting both classical connoisseur and pop picker against middlebrow musicals. Some Lloyd Webber is saccharine, but some is musically complex and, with Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, he popularised the Bible more than RE lessons ever did. Calling him hip would be extravagant but he is, at 54, reaching a younger audience and enjoying an Indian summer with Bombay Dreams. With an estimated £500m he could retire to Watership Down in Berkshire — where he has an estate — but he burrows away, disclosing excitedly that he is reuniting with his songwriting partner Tim Rice to pen a few tunes together after 26 years apart, and that he wants to take on Ken Livingstone by leading a campaign to clear up London’s tawdry West End. Oh, and the Conservative peer admits that he no longer considers himself a Tory (my, is he damning of Iain Duncan Smith’s party) and says he is considering a shift to the cross-benches. And for inverted snobs, yes, he was educated at Westminster but, for what it’s worth, his granddad was a plumber. So give him a chance, okay? First, though, let’s clear up that little flirting episode. “Shonagh is naughty,” smiles Lloyd Webber, sounding like Kenneth Williams. “I do hope I’m not some sad man going through a midlife crisis.” He adds hastily: “I was with Madeleine when I found Shonagh.” Yes, Andrew, but weren’t you with Sarah (wife number two) when you found Madeleine (wife number three)? Whatever, fans will be delighted that Shonagh — who ALW reckons “looks like Britney Spears” — has inspired the reunion with Rice. No British duo since Gilbert and Sullivan, bar Lennon and McCartney, has written as many well-loved songs as Rice and Lloyd Webber “We are putting our toe back in the water,” says ALW cautiously. “I haven’t done anything with Tim since Evita. We are both rather old and scared to run the gauntlet of the press again, but you never know, it might develop into a full musical. “When I saw Tim’s lyric for this I thought ‘My goodness, I have missed him, I must say.’ You suddenly see a lyric of that quality.” He says this with real feeling, as others might recall the beauty of a lost love. Then he ruins it with old jealousies: “The saddest thing for me is that I don’t write lyrics, but I think Tim would not have been right for Phantom of the Opera because it is not something he would have understood completely.” Ouch. Still, a new musical seems down to Rice: “He has such a wit and a cynicism, it’s whether he really finds a subject for a musical he would like to do.” There is still a hint of the precocious boy about the man who dragooned his brother Julian (now a world-renowned cellist) into childhood musicals. Will he tell me the title of the new song? “It is a slight secret: I’ll think about that a moment.” But, keen to show off his creation, he smiles instantly: “It’s called A Touch of Love (the butterfly’s sting).” He is proud — although he pretends to be frustrated — that he remains an undisputed popular musical master. “I wrote Joseph in 1968 and since then not a single composer — nor lyricist — has emerged. If I had been working in the 1950s I would have had Rodgers and Hammerstein, Cole Porter, the lot, as competition.” Would that have raised his game? “Yes, it would,” he says rather honestly. Instead, he must make do with sniping as his spur. For while he claims initially that he is no longer obsessed with success (“I will never get another Phantom but I don’t care, I just love writing musicals”), he then admits that he put much into his last musical, The Beautiful Game, to answer the charge of being frivolous. Improbably, it dealt with IRA violence — as box office it, well, bombed. “It closed because people didn’t want to see it,” he says bluntly. So was he always a heavyweight trying to fight his way out of the soufflé? Oh, yes: he chunters on about messages in his musicals (I must have nodded off during those bits). “There is a dark side to me,” he says. There is? And I thought I’d seen more darkness in Bambi. “Yes, there is, it came out in The Beautiful Game and Evita.” As proof of his blackness, he talks of his passion for concentration camp art. But soon even that seems a bit of a game, as he tells me he recently left a bid of £20,000 for a painting that went for £1.8m. All of which is small bananas to a man whose last shopping trip up west saw him snap up 10 theatres for £85m. But he nurtures his investments, which is why he is so exasperated by theatreland. He becomes really venomous only when he starts talking about Livingstone, who he holds responsible for wrecking the West End by being anti-car and weak on crime. “The shows that are really doing well, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and Bombay, are outside the West End,” he says. “Some parts of the West End are in real trouble. St Martin’s Lane is closed off, so the Duke of York’s is having real problems. Ten years ago more traffic took half the time to get through the West End.” He compares the mayors of New York and London. “There they had a succession of brilliant mayors. We don’t have that. I would like to see happen here what happened in Manhattan, but it seems completely impossible for this mayor. When I first worked in New York in the early 1970s it was the pits. So they cleared it all up. With the I Love New York campaign it came back into fashion.” Crime, he ventures, is worse in London than New York. “If you walked down the end of 46th Street to Seventh Avenue well, you didn’t; now it’s happy families. In London if you go to the back door of the Lyric or the Apollo you find syringes. It could be solved if there was a will, but Livingstone just follows his own whims.” Do the police need more power? “They need more police.” He is to convene a crisis meeting of the Society of West End Theatres to draw up an action plan to make the West End “glamorous again”. But look, Andrew, not being rude, isn’t the problem with the West End that it is full of mushy musicals? “No. It has got to be cleaned up. Period.” How? “In New York, when the lead came from the city, those tacky shops closed.” So would he like to see those tacky outlets which now scar the West End forcibly closed here, too? It would seem so, and responsibility rests with his former protégé-turned-rival, Cameron Mackintosh. “He has now got the freehold to the Queens and Gielgud theatres. Between, there are a lot of shops that need to be looked at. Cameron has got to be a very big part of this, if that is what he is interested in doing.” The main culprit, though, is the mayor and his lack of accountability. “If you try to discuss it in parliament they say you can’t, the forum is the assembly. There is no co-ordinated opposition to the mayor, including from the Labour party.” Which brings us to our special guest’s political views. If he had waited for Tony Blair to reach Downing Street before jumping on the No 10 fish supper-party circuit, he would have been embraced by the arts establishment. But he linked himself with the Tories at their most arrogant. Maggie even used to come round to dine at his house. Now he says: “If it wouldn’t cause huge ructions and lots of press pieces about why I had done it, I would quit to become a crossbencher.” Has Duncan Smith disillusioned him? It seems so. “The best thing I saw on holiday was a cartoon of two gays wearing small bikinis saying: ‘If another boring Tory goes gay, I’m going straight.’ It sums up the Conservative party. The leader should be Kate Hoey, she’d be wonderful.” Hardly a ringing endorsement from a man who was once one of the Tories’ most high-profile supporters. If this were not enough, he says: “The Tories just don’t interest me. If somebody had the money to set up a real opposition party, now would be the time. It needs to be somebody with a real vision.” With Tories muttering about a breakaway party, expect some begging letters to Lloyd Webber pronto. Our time is up. As he sees me out we pass a door where Denise Van Outen is rehearsing for another of his projects, and he confides that he doesn’t think she shone in Chicago. But he does so while sounding thoroughly charming about her. He can be bumptious, but he remains an enthusiast. Yes, Starlight Express was a serious crime but I, for one, have surprised myself by taking a delayed liking to him. __________________ I've lost my reputation, bad and good... (c) Madonna, Hollywood - А какое у нас сейчас время года? - Лето. - Лето?! А почему снег лежит?! - Такое вот лето хреновое... (с)

25-08-2002, 23:03	#2
charisma администратор На форуме с: Oct 2001 Место жительства: Москва Сообщений: 7,830	А слабо это в новости?)) __________________ Съешь еще этих мягких французских булок, да выпей чаю... Всегда приятно беседовать с людьми высокого интеллекта и благородных идеалов. (Приключения принца Флоризеля) They come here. They all come here. How do they find me? (c) Max Bialystock

25-08-2002, 23:13	#3
Майор человек военный На форуме с: Nov 2001 Место жительства: иллюзиями Сообщений: 1,985	будет... __________________ I've lost my reputation, bad and good... (c) Madonna, Hollywood - А какое у нас сейчас время года? - Лето. - Лето?! А почему снег лежит?! - Такое вот лето хреновое... (с)

29-08-2002, 14:32	#10
Volta Снова холодильник На форуме с: Nov 2001 Место жительства: в стране холодильников Сообщений: 2,684	И фамилия на "Б"... И глаза в пол-лица... И синий парик... :D :D __________________ Вот и я говорю - ахинея, а Пендальф говорит - ножницы... (с)Goblin

06-04-2004, 16:34	#11
WwWwW Sunset Express На форуме с: Jul 2003 Место жительства: Starlight Boulevard Сообщений: 3,023	A Touch of Love Случилось!!! Та самая Шона Дэйли наконец записала ту самую пресловутую песню, сочиненную для нее теми самыми Тимом и Эндрю, об объединении которых шла речь в этом топике еще в 2002 году. Песенка называется A Touch of Love, и кусочек из нее можно услышать на сайте Шоны Дэйли: www.shonagh-daly.co.uk Там вверху такой мини-проигрыватель. В нем надо поперебирать песни, чтобы дойти до интересующей нас. Приятная песенка! __________________ I don't know where the next thing [=great musical] is coming from. 15 or 20 years ago I thought that was going to happen once the Iron Curtain fell, that the country that produced Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Prokofiev and Shostakovich was where we should be looking and where something would happen. But there's been 'sweet FA'. (c) Andrew Lloyd Webber

07-04-2004, 01:38	#12
Volta Снова холодильник На форуме с: Nov 2001 Место жительства: в стране холодильников Сообщений: 2,684	А текст ниоткуда нельзя посмотреть? __________________ Вот и я говорю - ахинея, а Пендальф говорит - ножницы... (с)Goblin

07-04-2004, 14:44	#13
WwWwW Sunset Express На форуме с: Jul 2003 Место жительства: Starlight Boulevard Сообщений: 3,023	Я думаю, пока соответствующий альбом не вышел, текст мы не узнаем. А альбом обещают в этом году. __________________ I don't know where the next thing [=great musical] is coming from. 15 or 20 years ago I thought that was going to happen once the Iron Curtain fell, that the country that produced Rachmaninov, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Prokofiev and Shostakovich was where we should be looking and where something would happen. But there's been 'sweet FA'. (c) Andrew Lloyd Webber

16-07-2004, 18:27	#15
Volta Снова холодильник На форуме с: Nov 2001 Место жительства: в стране холодильников Сообщений: 2,684	Ну что я могу сказать... типичный Тим __________________ Вот и я говорю - ахинея, а Пендальф говорит - ножницы... (с)Goblin

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